Sunday, December 02, 2012

How Wikipedia debate Global Warming


Controversy/conspiracy theories? Skepticism?

I think that there should definitely be a new section on the conspiracy theories/ skepticism. This article appears to be bias. Also, under the "See Also" we should have a link to Climate Controversy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.98.244 (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Various links of that sort already appear in the article; some contenders are highlighted as main articles, and Global warming#Global warming controversyeven has its own subsection heading in the table of contents. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I think that if this article is going to take global warming, a contreversial issue, and treat it like some plain dictionary entry it should never have became a featured article- it needs to actually note that this is a theory, that while is agreed on by many scientists, is still treated with skepticism. Just as a likely theory, I don't think this is quite fact yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.98.244 (talk) 21:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
The Theory of gravityTheory of Relativity and Theory of Evolution are outside wanting to talk to you about the term "fact". Everything in science is tentative and subject to scepticism. Our current theory of global warming is, unfortunately, not only subject to normal scepticism, but also to plain denial and politically motivated lies. That does not affect its scientific standing - see scientific opinion on climate change for the evaluation of people who know what they are talking about. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
This article seriously needs to be edited... it's taking this like a fact. Global warming is a controversial theory. And there isn't enough data to build too much evidence. Anything that has to do with global warming is protected... even Hurricane Sandy. Anyone hear about some of those email dumps? Any mention of conspiracy theories? And the fact that no organizations within the scientific literature oppose it? No way. There has to be at least one or two.Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.98.244 (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Hurricane Sandy was protected after an series of unconstructive edits like your removal of a paragraph. As for the controversy, there isGlobal_warming#Global_warming_controversy and the man articles Global warming controversyGlobal warming conspiracy theory and even List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. Organizations are not "in the scientific literature", but it is a fact that at the moment no recognizied scientific organization does oppose the current mainstream opinion - see scientific opinion on climate change. And while science is always tentative and moving, there are indeed very few peer-reviewed papers that disagree with any major part of the theory on global warming. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
As often as this "it's just a theory" nonsense comes up, I wonder if we ought to have some kind of list of the basic principles this article is based on. Not that fly-by low-information readers ever bother to read anything like an FAQ, but it would be a place to direct some of the meta-discussions. ~J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 22:21, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
See footnote #6 in the current version from which our reference includes the following excerpt (bold added):
there is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations. * * * (p21-22) Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."
NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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