Wednesday, September 03, 2014

Wikipedia Deletion Too Ra Loo Ra Loo Ral

Proposed deletion of Too Ra Loo Ra Loo Ral[edit]

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The article Too Ra Loo Ra Loo Ral has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Seems to fail WP:GNG as well as WP:NSONG
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"Too-Ra-Loo-Ra-Loo-Ral (That's an Irish Lullaby)" is a classic Irish song originally written in 1914 by composer James Royce Shannon (1881–1946)[1] and popularised by Bing Crosby in 1944's Going My Way. Crosby released the song on his 1950 album Don't Fence Me In.[2]
In 1976, Richard Manuel and Van Morrison sang the song, as "Tura Lura Lural (That's An Irish Lullaby)", during The Band's farewell concert The Last Waltz. "Come On, Eileen," a #1 U.K. chart single from the English band Dexys Midnight Runners, includes a chorus with the lines "Too-Ra-Loo-Ra Too-Ra-Loo-Rye, Ay / And you'll hum this tune forever." The song appeared on their 1982 album titledToo-Rye-Ay.


[Verse 1]
Over In Killarney,
Many years ago,
My Mother sang a song to me
In tones so sweet and low;
Just a simple little ditty,
In her good old Irish way,
And I'd give the world to hear her sing
That song of hers today.

Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral, Too-ra-loo-ra-li,
Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral, Hush now don't you cry!
Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral, Too-ra-loo-ra-li,
Too-ra-loo-ra-loo-ral, That's an Irish lul-la-by
[Verse 2]
Oft, in dreams I wander
To that cot again.
I feel her arms a-hugging me
As when she held me then.
And I hear her voice a humming
To me as in days of yore,
When she used to rock me fast asleep
Outside the bedroom door.
[Repeat chorus]
Another verse...
Oh I can hear that music
I can hear that song
Filling me with memories
Of a mother's love so strong
Its melody still haunts me
These many years gone bye
Too ra loo ra loo ral
Until the day I die


I would suggest that the link be removed. I just tried it and got a message from norton about two seperate attacks from malicious software. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
The article names as the composer an American, but describes the song as a classic Irish song. Why not an American one? Despite some name dropping, no connection to Ireland has been established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackerski (talk • contribs) 21:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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